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president obama has put a 45-page plan out, 27 pages of spending cuts in his plan. now, is that not enough for republicans? negotiate that. >> now, a new analysis was put out, crystal, by gop strategist with heirs is getting some attention. it describes the gop as a regional party with few national pros pekts. and it says republicans have run out of persuadable white voters. when you look at that and the new nbc poll shows that only two groups view the republican party favored, white southerners and rural americans. when you come pain what heirs is saying and the poll, they have really closed the boundaries on their own party. and unless they can seek to expand and change their policies and, therefore, their branding, they will be a party that continues to diminish. >> that's absolutely right. this was the last election where there was any chance with their coalition, they could win a national election. if they don't expand, forget it. it's off the table for 2016. there's no way. and i think in a lot of ways, they're driving that picture about republicans. they're i
president obama has put a 45-page plan out, 27 pages of spending cuts in his plan. now, is that not enough for republicans? negotiate that. >> now, a new analysis was put out, crystal, by gop strategist with heirs is getting some attention. it describes the gop as a regional party with few national pros pekts. and it says republicans have run out of persuadable white voters. when you look at that and the new nbc poll shows that only two groups view the republican party favored, white...
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can obama sell cuts in entitlements to his senate? >> dana: not acarding to harry reid. >> eric: leave it there. we'll stay on it. don't go away. more on developing news washington, including ambassador susan rice. we'll get on that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, children laughing ] move to the country, d live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. often comes with a set of equally impressive instructions ? shouldn't something that's truly advanced, not need much explanation at all ? with the nokia lumia 822 on verizon, there's not much to learn because it's powered by windows...
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there might be a slight difference here, you think back to the debt ceiling in the summer of 2011, obama put some social security, put some medicare, put some medicare stuff on the table t looked like in if boehner said grow that going to have support from pelosi you never know for sure, we can get to that point. i think talking to a number of democrats in washington, i get the sense that liberals in congress look at the situation right now a little differently. in the summer of 2011, they were up against a debt default. now up against this january 1st deadline if they say no to a deal, tax rates go up, social security and medicare don't get touched. they maybe have a little more leverage here than we appreciated? >> they do. and it is i think what one part of this where the republicans don't appreciate sort of the bokts president could potentially be in.box the president could potentially be in. he can't author them. the same way boehner is signalling to the president, don't make me say i'm for raising tax rates. if your going to wait for that, you're going to wait -- some point, maybe
there might be a slight difference here, you think back to the debt ceiling in the summer of 2011, obama put some social security, put some medicare, put some medicare stuff on the table t looked like in if boehner said grow that going to have support from pelosi you never know for sure, we can get to that point. i think talking to a number of democrats in washington, i get the sense that liberals in congress look at the situation right now a little differently. in the summer of 2011, they were...
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but you have to also have spenning cuts. that is where obama is running out the clock. as nina indicated prominent democrats are saying we won't move on major issues on any entitlement reform. you get the president offered about half a trillion in cuts, over ten years. this is a government that is going to spen over the decade about $45 trillion. it has $16 trillion in debt an offering half a trillion in cuts. not serious. and unless obama moves on that nothing will happen. we are going over niagara falls. >> chris: i won't be here tomorrow. bret thankfully will be back but my guess is he will ask about the tortoise race and what is ahead by a neck. >> chris: neck and neck right now. >> chris: that is it for panel. but stay tuned for look at unusual christmas doings at the white house. let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like lerty and rock 'n' roll. to free markets, free enterprise, and free refills. it put
but you have to also have spenning cuts. that is where obama is running out the clock. as nina indicated prominent democrats are saying we won't move on major issues on any entitlement reform. you get the president offered about half a trillion in cuts, over ten years. this is a government that is going to spen over the decade about $45 trillion. it has $16 trillion in debt an offering half a trillion in cuts. not serious. and unless obama moves on that nothing will happen. we are going over...
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obama wants to cut $500 billion out of medicare. not true. a lot of his key arguments, and, of course, the jeep ad at the end. >> the one that offends me the most is the apology tour. it's foundational. he's putting that down in the ground. and i want to get joan in here. he puts that down and says sort of his takeoff platform. he's apologizing but i'll be a robust patriot. i'll defend america against anything foe or friend because i'm a real american. and this guy because he recognizes we live in a world of other countries that are decent countries. they're not all the enemy out there. this right wing attitude it's just us or just us and israel against all these evil third world people and they're just crazy about that. it's so dangerous. >> to finish this point for one second. the thing is -- and this is what ornstein was saying too. that his campaign was based on a lot of major big sweeping lies. now, you can look at obama and point out that he made a mistake, misrepresented obama's policy in this way and that way. but that the overall cas
obama wants to cut $500 billion out of medicare. not true. a lot of his key arguments, and, of course, the jeep ad at the end. >> the one that offends me the most is the apology tour. it's foundational. he's putting that down in the ground. and i want to get joan in here. he puts that down and says sort of his takeoff platform. he's apologizing but i'll be a robust patriot. i'll defend america against anything foe or friend because i'm a real american. and this guy because he recognizes...
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speaker john boehner is still waiting for a new proposal from president obama, that is all uncording to an unnamed aide to the speaker. meanwhile some republicans are calling on speaker john boehner to give the president what he wants on taxes so the party can focus on cutting entitlement programs. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> if speaker john boehner ends up with senator corker has just said he is we will get a large agreement. but speaker john boehner hasn't said that, and so we democrats realize that there have to be two sides to this bargain. jon: special report anchor bret baier joins us now in washington. if people like senator corker say the tax increases would be okay with them on the highs income earners in this country it seems that that is bound to be part of the deal that transpires here. >> reporter: jon, senator cork eris not in the house corkerre
speaker john boehner is still waiting for a new proposal from president obama, that is all uncording to an unnamed aide to the speaker. meanwhile some republicans are calling on speaker john boehner to give the president what he wants on taxes so the party can focus on cutting entitlement programs. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top...
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conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716 billion from the program. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. >> look, these guys haven't been big on medicare from the beginning. their party's not big on medicare from the beginning. folks, use your common sense. who do you trust on this? >> so, now, of course, given all the campaign rhetoric coming from both sides, we are on the other side of an election that proved that there is a bipartisan consensus, that it is bad to be the kind of p
conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended...
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>> i am fine with cutting spending levels. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] megyn: great job. coming up, bob costas offers verification on his talk about gun culture after a murder suicide of a nfl player. and police traffic cameras. red light cameras in one city are the subject of a major class-action. why drivers claimed the cameras keeping neighborhoods if they are big methods of bringing in cash megyn: sportscaster bob costas offering clarification for his on-air comments about the nfl player who shot his girlfriend and then killed himself last weekend. those comments were made during the eagles and cowboys football game on sunday night. he blamed what he called america's gun culture for america's case of gun violence. here's a little from the comments on sunday night the matter tandems do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws. they beat us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. in coming days, javon pilcher's actions and attention to football will be analyzed. who knows, but h
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spending cuts as of january one, they are trying to avert that. he says any deal on this must include an end to the debt ceiling all together. he wants complete power to raise the country's limit by himself. he doesn't want to have to get congressional approval. that is a demand stirring strong response from republicans today. >> the on way we ever cut spending is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. now the president wants to remove that spur to cut all together. of course, it gets in the way of his spending plans. i can assure you it one happen. the american people want washington to get spending under control and the debt limit is the best tool we have to make the president take that demand seriously. the american people want us to fight to cut spending. it's a fight they deserve and a fight we are happy to have. >> joining me now, simon rosenberg. and mark theisen. guys, welcome. simon, let me start with you on this. we did have some democrats come on the show and say no, the president doesn't get to just decide when to raise the
spending cuts as of january one, they are trying to avert that. he says any deal on this must include an end to the debt ceiling all together. he wants complete power to raise the country's limit by himself. he doesn't want to have to get congressional approval. that is a demand stirring strong response from republicans today. >> the on way we ever cut spending is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. now the president wants to remove that spur to cut all together. of course,...
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tax cut. having done that, held of those initiatives, speaker john boehner says democrats are walking the economy to the fiscal cliff. yet, this is the same republican leadership that had the house and senate barely a full day this week. we have had the election. the president was clear in the campaign in fighting for a middle-income tax cut, a tax cut which, by the way, gives everyone a tax break, but it also asks the upper 2% to pay their fair share. and since that election four weeks ago, we have had time, the president has given republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plans. what they offered in return was an empty letter, lacking in specifics. it was a manifestation of a lack in the republican caucus about the tax cut and no specifics in their planned, and not even senator mcconnell endorsed the plan. we can make a difference right now, by putting the middle- income tax issue up for a vote. democrats are unified on it. we have been discharged position to bring it to t
tax cut. having done that, held of those initiatives, speaker john boehner says democrats are walking the economy to the fiscal cliff. yet, this is the same republican leadership that had the house and senate barely a full day this week. we have had the election. the president was clear in the campaign in fighting for a middle-income tax cut, a tax cut which, by the way, gives everyone a tax break, but it also asks the upper 2% to pay their fair share. and since that election four weeks ago, we...
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because obama and the affordable care act cut medicare by $700 billion. they did it in a very careful way. they did it in a way to protect beneficiaries and responsible. they faced up. they said medicare does need to be trimmed. we need to do it in a smart way and did this. >> why is it off the table now? >> well, precisely because they did -- took that step. they took that very big step and now everyone -- now the idea's, all right, we took the found cut and starting the experiments now. let's see how they work. there's a very good chance, in fact, we are seeing signs that some of them are starting to save some money. we cut $700 billion. we have these pilot programs going forward. let's watch. we have taken enough out of medicare for now and see how the experiments go. if they work out and if a few of them work out, we'll get bigger shape and in better shape fiscally. >> the line in the sand of the president is not don't touch medicare but the benefits provided but back to what you were saying about the way that republicans handled medicare in the last
because obama and the affordable care act cut medicare by $700 billion. they did it in a very careful way. they did it in a way to protect beneficiaries and responsible. they faced up. they said medicare does need to be trimmed. we need to do it in a smart way and did this. >> why is it off the table now? >> well, precisely because they did -- took that step. they took that very big step and now everyone -- now the idea's, all right, we took the found cut and starting the...
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spending cuts. unless we treat this like it's an actual problem and not just political theater, all of this stuff is meaningless. totally meaningless. >> the thing i would say on that is it's less like an economic plan and more like fairness and people feeling like they are not getting the raw end of the deal. >> that's political and that's fine. i understand the political argument for it. they are acting like this is going to solve a lot of problems and it's not. republicans are acting like it is going to be the end of the world and it's not. we need to just swallow this bitter pill and move forward and talk about tax reform and entitlement reform and the things we need to address our fiscal problems. >> part of what we are seeing is going back to seeing an anti-government party trying to drag down government and that's going to be good for the business in general. i agree with most of what you guys said except with what you said. i'm glad you said fetish. i like when the word fetish is in any conv
spending cuts. unless we treat this like it's an actual problem and not just political theater, all of this stuff is meaningless. totally meaningless. >> the thing i would say on that is it's less like an economic plan and more like fairness and people feeling like they are not getting the raw end of the deal. >> that's political and that's fine. i understand the political argument for it. they are acting like this is going to solve a lot of problems and it's not. republicans are...
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taxes, spending cuts. >>> i'm susan in for s.e. today. michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only succeeds and thrives when we've got a strong and growing middle class. i want us to brin
taxes, spending cuts. >>> i'm susan in for s.e. today. michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season?...
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obama cut medicare by $716 billion, which the democrats call savings. >> get back to medicare. and lengthen the strength for at least a decade. as well as increasing benefits now. we have addressed entitlements. >> the trust fund for the hospital cost runs out of official money in 20424 so it has to be changed to be saved. bret? >> more on that in a series next week. jim, thank you. still ahead could this be the next penn state? the head of a huge fraternal organization is accused of child sexual assault. years ago, my doctor told me to take a centrum silver multivitamin every day. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? then i heard this news about a multivitamin study looking at long-term health benefits for men over 50. the one they used in that study... centrum silver. that's what i take. my doctor! he knows his stuff. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your most complete. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a fo
obama cut medicare by $716 billion, which the democrats call savings. >> get back to medicare. and lengthen the strength for at least a decade. as well as increasing benefits now. we have addressed entitlements. >> the trust fund for the hospital cost runs out of official money in 20424 so it has to be changed to be saved. bret? >> more on that in a series next week. jim, thank you. still ahead could this be the next penn state? the head of a huge fraternal organization is...
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president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on "morning joe" today. >> as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. i would hold my nose despite the facts that raising those two tax is bad economics, bad for jobs, going to hurt the economy. i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> does he have a point? are democrats really prepared to deal with entitlement reform to maybe substantive cuts, the kinds the republicans are calling for? >> chris, hail by barbour menti
president obama has put spending cuts on the table. he's put an increase in the tax rates for the wealthiest americans on the table. we've put making sure that we have p get a tremendous amount of savings out of the entitlement programs. what have the republicans put on the table? virtually nothing. it is time to be rational and compromise. >> to that point, what haley barber said this morning about the possibility of compromise. he was on "morning joe" today. >> as a...
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republicans have to rethink the idea this is obama's idea if we get the huge cut in defense that are unsupportable. >> they are bluffing that they don't care about going over the fiscal cliff. a bluff. it will send economy in a tail spin. >> i don't think so. the president is fine going over the cliff. if you look what he gets and the ability to play hero if the country went over the cliff, the president can remedy two problems that democrats faced for years. he becomes a huge tax cutter. he can restore the defense cut. i think the point that you are making are logical and correct, that is not how it plays out. perception is as much as anything else. you looking at a media eager to blame republicans on this. >> that's why i'm correcting them. >> you are correcting them. >> bret: we have an online show to talk more about this. >> i'm correct them even more. >> bret: you can correct them more in a much more relaxed atmosphere. tune in. next up, look at the front runners for yes, 2016. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] where do you hear that beat?] c
republicans have to rethink the idea this is obama's idea if we get the huge cut in defense that are unsupportable. >> they are bluffing that they don't care about going over the fiscal cliff. a bluff. it will send economy in a tail spin. >> i don't think so. the president is fine going over the cliff. if you look what he gets and the ability to play hero if the country went over the cliff, the president can remedy two problems that democrats faced for years. he becomes a huge tax...
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this look, obama recommended or proposed cutting the defense department and he was attacked viciously by republics. so, the idea that like he never suggest cuts is kind of absurd. >> bill: do you really think barack obama wants meaningful cuts in government? really? really? >> as much as republicans do. look, he got attacked all through the campaign for cutting medicare, right? so the people who claim that they want all these cuts, what do they do? they attack the president when he proposes cuts and they refuse to put anything specific on their proposal. what they sent back was just a number. >> bill: all right. okay. i got it. i got it. i got it. i'm just tired of this whole business. i think we should cut 10% across the board and then, you know, keep taxes the way they are and try to stimulate the economy by the private sector. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. >> i will tell diane. >> bill: charlie brown thrown under the bus by a church pastor in arkansas. how could this possibly happen in america? tell you what's going on. also, dennis miller having to deal
this look, obama recommended or proposed cutting the defense department and he was attacked viciously by republics. so, the idea that like he never suggest cuts is kind of absurd. >> bill: do you really think barack obama wants meaningful cuts in government? really? really? >> as much as republicans do. look, he got attacked all through the campaign for cutting medicare, right? so the people who claim that they want all these cuts, what do they do? they attack the president when he...
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the president obama's proposals have been anything but balanced. he wants far more in tax hikes than spending cuts and instead of beginning to solve our did you tell probledebt problem, he new stimulus spending and the ability to raise the debt limit whenever he wants without any cuts or reforms. it's clear that the president's just not serious about cutting spending. but spending is the problem. how big a problem? look at this chart put together by paul ryan and budget committee. this line is the current baseline for revenue. here if the president got everything he wanted, over $1.4 trillion in taxes, this is what that would represent. but if you look at the spending problem, you see it does nothing. nothing to solve the spending problem that our country has. republicans want to solve this problem by getting the spending line down. the president wants to pretend spending isn't the problem. that's why we don't have an agreement. the chart depicts what i've been saying for a long time now. washington has a spending problem that can't be fixed with t
the president obama's proposals have been anything but balanced. he wants far more in tax hikes than spending cuts and instead of beginning to solve our did you tell probledebt problem, he new stimulus spending and the ability to raise the debt limit whenever he wants without any cuts or reforms. it's clear that the president's just not serious about cutting spending. but spending is the problem. how big a problem? look at this chart put together by paul ryan and budget committee. this line is...
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look at that number. 89% say president obama should agree to that deal. house speaker john boehner says the president is not even meeting republicans halfway. here he is. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it is mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually encreases spending. the president is calling for 1.4 trillion dollars worth of revenue. that can not pass the house or the senate. bill: south dakota senator john thune chairman of the republican senate conference. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill, where are we now? anywhere? >> that is the question of the day. what seems to me to be happening here is that the white house is not real serious about any kind of a plan that has spending reductions in it, particularly that address what really drives federal spending. that is entitlement programs. they seem less and less serious getting a plan that would avert the fiscal cliff. why i think you heard a number of them say publicly they're willing to go
look at that number. 89% say president obama should agree to that deal. house speaker john boehner says the president is not even meeting republicans halfway. here he is. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it is mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually encreases spending. the president is calling for 1.4 trillion dollars worth of revenue. that can not pass the house or the senate. bill:...
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the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as oppose eed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social security chrks can be phased in g
the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough calls. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate...
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all with spending cuts and expiring tax credits. today, president obama pushed his proposed fix saying a deal must include higher tax rates. republicans say that is a job killer. they is said that forever. they let go of that, meeting at the white house yesterday. neither side will give any details about the conversation between president obama and speaker boehner. wendell, is there any time left to get this done? >>reporter: well, folks think there is time for enough of a deal but stopped short of a fiscal cliff but some think that has to happen this week. at a daimler truck stop the president didn't mention the upper income tax hike he is demanding but warned what will happen if congress doesn't extend the middle-class tax cuts both sides want. >> people will spend nearly $200 billion less than otherwise they would spend. consumer spending will go down. that means you have less customers, businesses get fewer profits, they hire fewer workers, you go in a downward spiral. wrong idea. >>reporter: the president criticized the right-t
all with spending cuts and expiring tax credits. today, president obama pushed his proposed fix saying a deal must include higher tax rates. republicans say that is a job killer. they is said that forever. they let go of that, meeting at the white house yesterday. neither side will give any details about the conversation between president obama and speaker boehner. wendell, is there any time left to get this done? >>reporter: well, folks think there is time for enough of a deal but...
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ok here's who i want to raise taxes on now you tell me what you want to cut in the public and said ok cool no tax hikes on the rich but let's raise the eligibility age for medicare let's cut hundreds of billions out of social insurance programs your take on this well my take is that the democrats and the republicans tom are both ignoring the obvious and that is wall street put us here wall street burned down the economy we then gave wall street trillions of dollars for their bad we then gave them bonuses and now if they really wanted to solve this problem they would again have courage to put on the on the table if we want to tax somebody let's tax the people who put us here let's add some type of sales tax to wall street transactions where we're securities are exchanged and in derivatives are sold and bonds are exchanged there's always been this notion we can't tax we can't tax wall street if you put even a fraction of a tax on those transactions tom you would have more than enough to wipe out this deficit and it's not unheard of look in the u.k. they've been doing this for three hund
ok here's who i want to raise taxes on now you tell me what you want to cut in the public and said ok cool no tax hikes on the rich but let's raise the eligibility age for medicare let's cut hundreds of billions out of social insurance programs your take on this well my take is that the democrats and the republicans tom are both ignoring the obvious and that is wall street put us here wall street burned down the economy we then gave wall street trillions of dollars for their bad we then gave...
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considering that obama has been open to spending cuts in previous negotiations and says he is open to it now and republicans have changed from where they were a year ago when it comes to tax increases, i think it will not take too much to get there, although there are still obstacles. host: the $1.60 trillion and $800 billion are the opening numbers. where are we with those numbers now? have those numbers been altered? guest: i do not know if republicans have gone above $800. the question will be, will obama be able to get above $800. once you start talking about the $1 trillion number, that is a politically sensitive number. obama might want to get above $1 trillion. republicans will want to keep it below $1 to win. host: are the senate ways and means and finance committees involved in these discussions? guest: sam bachus, the ways and means chairman, they're keeping in touch. their staff are very involved, because they're the guys who know all about taxes. they are definitely going to be involved in negotiations, even if they are slightly not in the heart of it, which is boehner and
considering that obama has been open to spending cuts in previous negotiations and says he is open to it now and republicans have changed from where they were a year ago when it comes to tax increases, i think it will not take too much to get there, although there are still obstacles. host: the $1.60 trillion and $800 billion are the opening numbers. where are we with those numbers now? have those numbers been altered? guest: i do not know if republicans have gone above $800. the question will...
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. >>> president obama in michigan at the detroit diesel corporation. we're looking at remarks there. he's going to address middle class families. president talking about the economy and focusing on the expiring tax cuts as we near this fiscal cliff. we're going to bring their remarks live as they happen. first, christine romans has a look at what it would be like he if the country let those tax cuts expire, and we go off the so-called fiscal cliff. >> reality track says one in three homes sold short. right now you don't owe taxes on the forgiven debt. on the other side of the fiscal cliff you do. it gives homeowners a tax break on unpaid mortgage debt and expires on december 31st unless congress acts. >> the average amount that homeowners are short in a short sale is $95,000. if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depending on the tax bracket they're in. on average it would be between
. >>> president obama in michigan at the detroit diesel corporation. we're looking at remarks there. he's going to address middle class families. president talking about the economy and focusing on the expiring tax cuts as we near this fiscal cliff. we're going to bring their remarks live as they happen. first, christine romans has a look at what it would be like he if the country let those tax cuts expire, and we go off the so-called fiscal cliff. >> reality track says one in...
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speaker boehner co-oped obama's language with raising taxes on the rich. i'm saying, wait a minute, there are things you can do. i thought there was a good piece in the "washington post" today, laying out five steps. stand your ground, go on offense, and pass your plans. >> yeah. one of the things we don't do is, we don't make the point that if we are going to do revenue enhancements, they must be in exchange for spending cuts and should happen together. we can no longer do spending cuts with promised reductions in spending that never happen. >> sean: why aren't we talking about the moral imperative? i think this is a moral imperative. we're borrowing 46 cents of every dollar. we're robbing our children and grandchildren. >> right. >> sean: why isn't that the debate that's front and center? everyone says we ought to raise taxes on the rich. that lasts 8 1/2 days a year. >> obama has co-oped the message, let's raise taxes on the rich, which actually brings very little money, does not solve the problem. it's a symbolic gesture rather a real gesture. the real
speaker boehner co-oped obama's language with raising taxes on the rich. i'm saying, wait a minute, there are things you can do. i thought there was a good piece in the "washington post" today, laying out five steps. stand your ground, go on offense, and pass your plans. >> yeah. one of the things we don't do is, we don't make the point that if we are going to do revenue enhancements, they must be in exchange for spending cuts and should happen together. we can no longer do...
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it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the
it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united...
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back real spending cuts. >> we with r running out of time. time to to see if the president is willing to cut any spending at all. >> ia carney held up the president's budget plan again. >> it's not a mystery. we have seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuths. >> except in that budget, the president includes $100 billion in medicaid cuts. that would have come from shifting more costs to states. yet; just yesterday the department of health and human services revealed it no longer supports those cuts. because the supreme court landmark healthcare decision allows states to opt out of the new laws medicate expansion. when carney was pressed today on how to white house will make up the spending cut, he hedged minutes after demanding more specifics from bane baun on taxes. >> i have to get you more -- see if we have more specifics for you. >> this comes a the white house thinks the heavy pressure from the fellow democrats who today demanded no cuts to any of the health entitlement programs. >> we are not budgin
back real spending cuts. >> we with r running out of time. time to to see if the president is willing to cut any spending at all. >> ia carney held up the president's budget plan again. >> it's not a mystery. we have seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuths. >> except in that budget, the president includes $100 billion in medicaid cuts. that would have come from shifting more costs to states. yet; just yesterday the department of...
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so it's pretty clean, a clean cut case. even the obama administration has already said it doesn't think the constitutionality, defense of marriage act, can withhold a legal attack like this, wolf. >> we expect arguments to be made when and decision to be made? >> i would estimate sometime around march of next year for the arguments. probably sometime around june of next year for a decision by the court, wolf. >> all right, thanks very much. joe johns reporting for us. bring in our senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin and analyst gloria borger. jeff, first to you, once the supreme court makes that final decision in the spring, maybe by june at the end of the term, we will know whether or not same sex marriage will be legal, not only in those states like new york state or maryland or iowa where it is legal, but throughout the united states. >> it is a possibility, there are limited possibilities. the court specifically took nose in this case, whether the question of whether the people defending the law in california even have
so it's pretty clean, a clean cut case. even the obama administration has already said it doesn't think the constitutionality, defense of marriage act, can withhold a legal attack like this, wolf. >> we expect arguments to be made when and decision to be made? >> i would estimate sometime around march of next year for the arguments. probably sometime around june of next year for a decision by the court, wolf. >> all right, thanks very much. joe johns reporting for us. bring in...
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should secretary clinton fail to cut off aid to tunisia, i will take legislative action to cut off the aid to tunisia. >> reporter: just to remind folks, this investigation into the benghazi terrorist attack is being treated under the law enforcement model by the obama administration which means the fbi is the lead investigating body. and earlier this week fox news asked the attorney general to respond to criticism that it really seems stalled to the public, and he said that there is more going on in the investigation than meets the eye. >> you talk about one part of the investigation, um, of an investigation that is ongoing. and our efforts with regard to that specific part that you mentioned are, indeed, ongoing, and we'll see how that develop cans. but there are a whole range of other things that we're doing with regard to the benghazi incident that we, frankly, don't talk about. >> reporter: what is not a dispute is that no suspects have been formally charged in that terrorist attack and the murder of four americans more than three months ago, jon. jon: yeah. that's still the big q
should secretary clinton fail to cut off aid to tunisia, i will take legislative action to cut off the aid to tunisia. >> reporter: just to remind folks, this investigation into the benghazi terrorist attack is being treated under the law enforcement model by the obama administration which means the fbi is the lead investigating body. and earlier this week fox news asked the attorney general to respond to criticism that it really seems stalled to the public, and he said that there is more...
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. >>> president obama took his pitch for preventing a fall off the fiscal cliff to a family in falls church yesterday. he did it to drive home the impact that many would feel approximate bush era tax cuts are allowed to expire with the average family expected to pay about $2200 more in taxes each year. >>> coming up next, we will check in with holly. she is live in morning at the montrose crossing giant for stuff a truck 2012. find out more on how you can make this holiday a happy one for local families. we are checking back in with gwen for your weekend forecast. fox 5 morning news will be right back in a moment. >>> welcome back. you hear that music, you know what it means. our stuff a truck phone bank is waiting for your call. we have seem up with the capital area food bank to raise awareness about hung are here in the d.c. region and get you to help us stuff their trucks with some needed food items. if you would like to help, call 202-895-3307 right now. the number is there on your screen. screen. there is information on how you can donate by text or online as well. and
. >>> president obama took his pitch for preventing a fall off the fiscal cliff to a family in falls church yesterday. he did it to drive home the impact that many would feel approximate bush era tax cuts are allowed to expire with the average family expected to pay about $2200 more in taxes each year. >>> coming up next, we will check in with holly. she is live in morning at the montrose crossing giant for stuff a truck 2012. find out more on how you can make this holiday a...
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obama two years ago exnded all the bush tax cuts for two years. there is no reason not to do that again. his reason --. melissa: he ll not agree it though. seems like the only way to get a deal done heres to give an inch much of ground? >> there is no deal if he wants to raise taxes. -phe can veto any, the republicans have already passed through the house making those tax cuts permanent. if the gnat, which hasn't acted, hasn't voted, remember the reason whwhy we have this odd position of some of t weird polling that you're talking about which is different thanhe traditional polling is that we've had news blackout about whatoesn inside these negotiations. we've been insisting that we should have those negotiations between boehner, reid, everybody foets harry reid is in the room and obama with c-span cameras there so every american can see what actual happens. if they saw what they're talking about, we would have a much better deal at the end of the day. melissa: i don't know. i think we wld a be in agony watchin what was happening there. >> you wou
obama two years ago exnded all the bush tax cuts for two years. there is no reason not to do that again. his reason --. melissa: he ll not agree it though. seems like the only way to get a deal done heres to give an inch much of ground? >> there is no deal if he wants to raise taxes. -phe can veto any, the republicans have already passed through the house making those tax cuts permanent. if the gnat, which hasn't acted, hasn't voted, remember the reason whwhy we have this odd position of...
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putting forth the petition for the middle class tax cuts in the house. >> like that. >> stephanie: a little something for everybody this morning. here she is, jacki schechner for everybody. in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody! president obama is meeting with business leaders again today to talk about the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional
putting forth the petition for the middle class tax cuts in the house. >> like that. >> stephanie: a little something for everybody this morning. here she is, jacki schechner for everybody. in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody! president obama is meeting with business leaders again today to talk about the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention....
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if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for before president obama was in office. and as i said before, he has, with the house republicans has already signed in law a trillion dollars in cut. and he'll do more. and i think that's encouraging and i think that shows he's willing to be plexable there, to angela's point which i agree with, a lot of what you're seeing is political theater. >> jamie: we're running out of time, doug. >> i agree. and that's true, but look, neither side wants to go over the cliff. politically it would be disastrous. >> for both sides. >> exactly, and for the president, he's the got an ambitious agenda next year, he wants to d
if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for...